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noworries4x4



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Yannis wrote:
Can someone help me with the part number for the oil filter? I have searched Google to no avail.

Vehical is 2015

Thanks


LLR058104 £12.86List £10.94 Nett Trade If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.

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noworries4x4



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Just completed my first home service as the 90 is now out of warranty and I used Millers C1 for the oil from site sponsor Oipe Oils. I will be changing it every 6thou now with an oil and filter drop between 12thou services.

If you want funny this is its 13th service 156thou miles numerous visits to the dealer for other things, I can guarantee I am the first person that has shown the propshafts some grease. If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.

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Post #432599 21st Jun 2015 5:32pm
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RichLech



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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Keswick Green
G Force Oil
Looking on the Opie oils website at various M2C934-B spec engine oils for my 2012 2.2 Puma, I have come across "G Force C1 5W-30 Fully Synthetic Low Saps Engine Oil which is about half the price (£17.95/5L) of the Millers XF Longlife C1 which I had intended to buy.

Anyone used or familiar with this brand?
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noworries4x4



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Months into the new 6thou regime with the Millers I can report a 2mpg improvement over the Main Dealers Castrol Edge, also I had to have my clutch done as the same time as a service so I let them do it, fuel went down to 27mpg, then back up to 29mpg on the Millers. My 90 is very heavy all the time and I drive the Motorways at only 110km/h 68/69 indicated 65 on the garmin If everything is under control you are not going fast enough.

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Shuma



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United Kingdom 2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 CSW Corris Grey
My 110 has just had its first service and the oil they used was Total Quartz 5W/30 (14 x 0.5 litres @ £6.75 each)
I have not seen this on your lists so wondered if this is another option?
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zsd-puma



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black
Re: Puma 2.2 Compatible Oils
ericvv wrote:
x-isle wrote:
Due to another discussion surrounding the limited availability of correct oil for the Puma 2.2 below is a list of oil that meets the requirement of Ford's WSS-M2C-934-B Standard.

NOTE! - This is only applicable to 2.2 Pumas as the earlier 2.4 needs to have the widely available WSS-M2C913-B (or C) standard


Understand the Puma 2.2 has to have this ....934-B oil spec, but can that same oil be safely used also in a Puma 2.4?
Meaning can the Puma 2.4 be fed either of those oils, the one specified for it, as well as the one discussed here for the newer Puma 2.2?

Wonder if all dealers will have barrels of both in stock at all times, or if they use the same for both engines. If you add to this all the oils specified for the other Td5, FFRR, RRS, D4, D3, Freelanders, Eewoks, etc. and their different aged engines they regularly get in their workshop, a main dealer must have a small oil tank farm on his premises.
Eric


This is my understanding too, the 2.4 can use the 2.2 spec stuff but not vice versa.

Dealers will usually have a couple of large barrels of the most common oil they use and just pump it into a jug. For anything more obscure they'll just order in 5ltr bottles of it via the supply chain.

I think at the factory they'll use what ever has the best deal. But they will work with suppliers, so you'll notice in the handbook you'll see the recommend a particular brand, this is part of a deal with the supplier, that if they recommend their brand, the suppler lets them have the oil a bit cheaper. It's like tyres, the tyre manufactuers know most of the general public will just go along to a tyre place and ask for the same as it already has on there when they wear out or get damaged, so the factory gets the tyres for a really cheap price as the manufacturer knows they'll make more money from selling replacements.
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keith



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Mobill1 for me . Every 5000miles .
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zsd-puma



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black
There are however different grades of Mobil 1, if you don't use the low ash version, you'll end up needing a new DPF.
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dudley472



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https://www.granvilleoil.com/techData/pdfTechData?ptdID=548

this oil isn't on the list but it does say Ford: WSS-M2C934-B, I assume this oil is ok ? cheers
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zsd-puma



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Yes if it complies with Ford: WSS-M2C934-B it's fine.
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NB: After writing this I realized the numbers are different for 2.2. I find these Ford numbers difficult to distinguish.
WSS-M2C-934-B is for 2.2 have to search other places.

Source is here http://www.oilspecifications.org/ford.php

Ford WSS-M2C913-B
The Ford M2C913-B specification is released in Europe for initial fill engine oils used for lubrication of spark ignition engines using gasoline and for compression ignition engines using diesel fuels. The specification is also used to define engine oils for servicing Ford engines where applicable. The oil shall meet all the requirements of the ILSAC GF-2 and GF-3 specification, the ACEA A1-98 and B1-98 specification and additional Ford requirements.

Ford WSS-M2C913-C
Fully backwards compatible and is strongly recommended for all applications that currently require the specification Ford M2C913-B. The new engine oil provides various benefits to the customer such as improved fuel economy benefits and high robustness to biodiesel fuels.

I have a 2.4 2010 Defender Puma. But nonetheless you can see from here that either of these will do.
I live in Myanmar but I went to Thailand and to a ford dealer there and bought Castrol Magnatec Professional A5 5w-30
which is WSS-M2C913-C and is api SN and ILSAC GF-4. It comes in 4L bottles. I bought 2 x 4 L for $70US or 57 Pounds UK.

This is cheaper than any oil I could find at Shell or Liqui Moly. So I would suggest you try a ford dealer to get the oil for your ford engine. 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 TDCI.
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Tony



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United Kingdom 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
I just looked in the handbook for my 2012 2.2 and on the lubricants page it says 'Land Rover recommends Castrol', then quotes various Texaco and Shell lubricants for the hubs and diffs etc, but for the engine oil it simply says SAE 5W-30 with no mention of the exact brand or specs that it should meet.
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apt100



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^^^ I have made the same comment in a thread about oil specs (maybe this one or a different one). The workshop manual has the full spec. and many online product selectors ( for example ... http://www.commaoil.com/products/results/92085637 if the link works once pasted) give the spec. But as you say, the owners handbook simply says 5w-30.
It would be interesting to see what happens if JLR refused a warranty claim etc due to wrong oil if you proved you had complied with the only specification they have given you.
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Milmur64



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Corris Grey
Hello - i have a Puma 2.2 2015 and have just completed an oil and filter change. The oil I was recommended by a Land Rover dealer was Mobile ESP. They advised they use this oil which is superior to Mobile 3000?

Can someone advise if this oil is okay?
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HardCharger



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Doing the due diligence for the 2.2 owners in my neck of the woods, unfortunately, the oils from LiquiMoly and Motul that meet the standards and ratings set are not available here. A knowledgeable oil vendor here says that LiquiMoly Top Tec 5W-30 4605 can work. It has the rating of WSS-M2C917-A. Can it be used by the 2.2 Pumas?
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