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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720   
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My first post on here, but i've been lurking for a while.
But no the Defender TDCI engine is completely different to the FL2 engine. The FL2 uses the DW12 engine, which was originally designed by PSA. However PSA then got into a joint venture with Ford for diesel engines. So the 2.2 DW12 engine found it's way into the mk4 Mondeo as well as other products and was from that point on jointly redeveloped with Ford, but it was originally a PSA design. The Defender uses the ZSD "Puma" engine which was originally designed by Ford for the Transit and Mk3 Mondeo. With PSA's joint venture the ZSD engine found it's way into some PSA products (the Citroen Relay/Peugeot Boxer) but it was originally purely a Ford design. They're completely unrelated engines, the Puma engine is chain driven vs. the DW12 engine being belt driven for example. Nothing of any significance is interchangeable between the two engines. A friend of mine has a TD5 engined 110 and i have a 2.4 Puma engined 110. Really they're both good engines. The reason i went for the Puma engine is because you get so much more with it, the vehicle interior is so much better in the 2007 on vehicles. And you can't really fit the later dash in an earlier car. Some have done it but you have to butcher the bottom of the dash because the gearsticks are further forward on a TD5, it looks a right dogs dinner. The puma engine is also much more refined in terms of quietness, don't get me wrong the TD5 sounds great but it soon gets boring on a long trip. Plus with the Puma you also get a 6 speed gearbox instead of a 5 speed. Which engine is better has been going on since the series 1. Back in the early 90's everyone was saying the NA2.5 diesel was better than the turbo version, then the 2.5 turbo was better than the 200tdi, then 200tdi was better than the 300tdi, then there are still people who will tell you a 300tdi is better than a TD5 and so on... |
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13th Feb 2017 3:40pm |
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| Clive Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Littleborough Posts: 467 
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Well there you go, thanks for the info on the TDCI vs FL2 engines, I will consider myself better educated now
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13th Feb 2017 3:48pm |
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| zsd-puma Member Since: 09 Aug 2016 Location: Kent Posts: 2720
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It doesn't help that manufacturers use their own brands on them. So a PSA HDI engine in a Mondeo is branded TDCI and a Ford TDCI engine in a Citroen is an HDI.
the 1.4 and 1.6HDi/TDCi 'Lion' was i think the first engine to be wholly joint developed by Ford/PSA. You find it in Volvos, peugeots, Citroens, BMW Minis, Fords and i think it even ended up in a Toyota. The rest of the TDCi/HDi lumps were either legacy Ford designs or Legacy PSA designs. The 2.7 and 3ltr TDV6 in the Discovery was also found in the Citroen C6. The Puma lump as used in the Defender found it's way into the Ford Ranger 2, Transit, Mondeo 3, TX2 London Cab, LDV Convoy, Jaguar X-type, Citroen Relay, Peugeot boxer and some Fiat Ducato's. |
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13th Feb 2017 4:03pm |
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