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| DaftOldGit Member Since: 20 Sep 2015 Location: London Posts: 50  
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I'm planning a trip to Kittila in North Finland. The temperature there in January can be -30 to -40.
All the cars there have electric engine pre-heaters for use overnight and at -40 even they have trouble starting. I'll be camping overnight near the roadside on the journey and so won't have electric hook-up for a heater. I've read on here that at -25 starting can be difficult but achievable with the help of a gas stove under the sump for half an hour! A diesel pre-heater costs a small fortune and can't justify it just for a two week holiday. I'm wondering if I could fit an electric one and have a small generator running all night. Any suggestions would be appreciated. |
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16th Apr 2016 9:23am |
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| Paddie42 Member Since: 24 Apr 2014 Location: Hamphire Posts: 230  
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I bought a diesel powered air heater from MV Heating http://mvheating.co.uk including the remote for less than £800. They do also have the water heater than many use to heat the engine. Might be worth giving them a call.
They electric sump heaters that I looked at are 2kw or higher, so you would need a generator that can produce that power. Would that have the same problem with temperature? |
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16th Apr 2016 12:09pm |
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| VeeTee Member Since: 06 Mar 2011 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1512 
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Leave the engine running overnight? Cheers, Vincent
1959 Polynorm 1/4 Ton Trailer, Olive Drab Green (sold) 1970 M416 Military Trailer (Camping Trailer Conversion), Epsom Green (sold) 1975 Series III 88 V6, Light Green (sadly sold) 1996 Defender 110 CSW 300 Tdi, Epsom Green (sold) 2000 Freelander 1 TD4 3-drs, Silver (sold) 2006 Freelander 1 TD4 5-drs Facelift Automatic, Tonga Green (sold) MySite |
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16th Apr 2016 12:59pm |
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| RustyM Member Since: 28 Oct 2013 Location: Africa/The Med Posts: 222 
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Protect your engine with one of these http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/e...pre-heater
Rule of thumb when we were in artic conditions was if it was outside it was left running... 90 & Wolf 110 XS Previously owned SI SII SIIa SIII & Light weight (air portable) |
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16th Apr 2016 7:29pm |
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| markalpha Member Since: 23 Apr 2008 Location: Downham Market Posts: 690 
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Best way to see the Artic, Dog sled or Snowmobile.
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17th Apr 2016 2:18pm |
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| Bumpymike Member Since: 18 Nov 2015 Location: cheshire Posts: 70 
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Finding a plug in point is easiest answer, you can prepare for the worse if temp is -40c just leave engine engine running - if its -10c just take the chance.
Make sure door seals are good as a draught will freeze your leg ! http://www.defa.com/en/automotive/warmup/ |
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8th Jun 2016 1:45pm |
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| Vesku Member Since: 12 Jul 2016 Location: Paimio Posts: 44  
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Hi
Here in Finland we use Defa or Calix engine preheaters and Webasto/Ebersbächer engine/cabin heater and webasto/Eber airheaters if needed. Vesku |
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12th Jul 2016 12:53pm |
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| Cold_n_Wet Member Since: 15 Oct 2012 Location: Bergen Posts: 244 
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The Defa / calix give say 500W a webasto or Eberspacher will give 5 kw.
The webasto runs for 30 minutes before I start the Defender, heats the block and thaws the interior. My 2013 2,2 starts no problems at -25 without but I do use it when its -3c so it would be a long term investment. Used Webasto Thermotop V come up quite cheap sometimes and its not a hard retrofit (except the tank fuel pick up which can be a PITA. "Rafiki" 2007 110 STW - Rolling rebuild. |
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28th Jul 2016 12:18am |
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| vaucluse Member Since: 04 Feb 2012 Location: SE London Posts: 185 
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I used to drive to Poland quite frequently 15 or 20 years ago and have found my worries about the low temperatures unfounded. I guess here in the UK we don't experience anything more than -5 generally. Those days I was driving Peugeot 306 and 406 turbo diesels and had absolutely no issues with starting or anything else. It'd fire it up and leave it running for ten minutes with the blower going full tilt.
The winter of 96/97 saw temperatures in northern Poland approaching -30 and close to -40 down south (my wedding day was -27). No one there did anything to their cars - they're all standard and had no issues. Modern well maintained vehicles should be fine up to -40. |
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28th Jul 2016 7:33am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
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28th Jul 2016 7:49am |
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| bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 
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Great find !!
Would work well if you have access to 240v, so would be fine in Norway where the cabins have outside mains sockets |
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28th Jul 2016 8:03am |
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| Cold_n_Wet Member Since: 15 Oct 2012 Location: Bergen Posts: 244
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not a bad price, but the fuel powered heater is still my first choice. "Rafiki" 2007 110 STW - Rolling rebuild.
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28th Jul 2016 2:56pm |
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