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| mikeh501 Member Since: 07 Jan 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1142  
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Normally your roll cage would have the appropriate mounts for the tilt. The purely metal ones would probably interfere with the cage you have. Ive never seen anyone with both a cage and a heavy duty tilt. Doesnt mean it doesnt work though!
As for height, then I would say your cage will be taller than any stick set, whether original rattly ones or the purely ones. Id also rethink mohair, its substantially better made than canvas and doesnt look out of place at all. fyi, mine has purely metal HD stick set and a black mohair. All supplied by allwheeltrim. Your also going to need a rear tailgate and to make the most of it, id look at series 3 style front doors. SP4x4 supply the doors for defender usage and the tailgate and door tops id very much recommend rocky mountain as they are excellent. |
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26th Jun 2016 6:44pm |
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| Striker Member Since: 04 May 2013 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 127 |
Mikeh501,
Thanks for the reply. I know I'm doing this the wrong way round by fitting a roll cage first. But from your reply it is a show stopper unless I remove the roll cage. The other thing is how will it look if it is possible to do. Will it look "just wrong" Cheers Andy Cheers Andy Never Knowingly Understood |
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26th Jun 2016 8:34pm |
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| mikeh501 Member Since: 07 Jan 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1142
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Looking at your cage, Id say the purely HD stick set will fit, as it mounts to the top of the tub in 6 places. It also has a mounting for the top of your seat belts at the front. The only thing is whether it would fit underneath the cage hoops. Im assuming you know the cage has to come off to remove the roof anyhow.
As for whether it would look right. Well, there will certainly be plenty of scaffolding up there! Normally you would have a NAS type cage for a soft top. It is external above the doors like yours, but disappears inside the cabin at the rear thereby supporting the canvas. Be aware that the canvas must also match this type of cage as it obviously have holes where the cage goes from external to internal. |
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26th Jun 2016 8:44pm |
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| mikeh501 Member Since: 07 Jan 2013 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1142
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like this NAS/SV cage/hood.
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26th Jun 2016 8:48pm |
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| Striker Member Since: 04 May 2013 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 127 |
Mike,
Thanks for your input. Your right about the amount of scaffolding. Decisions decisions . Cheers Andy Never Knowingly Understood |
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27th Jun 2016 8:09am |
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| pjb Member Since: 08 Apr 2009 Location: Sunny Oxford Posts: 1244 |
If it helps this is my ex soft top with the purely hoops fitted
Click image to enlarge Plus finished with the hood on Click image to enlarge It should fit as purely metal hood sticks just bolts on top of the cappings, however it looks tight ! The only thing I would say have you driven a soft top ? Over 50 mph it is very noisey even with the window partly open to balance the pressure to stop some noise ! 2020 P300 HSE |
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27th Jun 2016 8:56am |
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| Striker Member Since: 04 May 2013 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 127 |
Yours looks great, but I'm having second thoughts because of the roll cage.
Thanks to everyone that replied  Cheers Andy
Never Knowingly Understood |
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28th Jun 2016 5:52pm |
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| Striker Member Since: 04 May 2013 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 127 |
I've been in touch with Kim from All Wheel Trim today and he assures me there are no clearance issues. So watch this space. Cheers Andy
Never Knowingly Understood |
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4th Jul 2016 10:17pm |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10359
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Here's a pic of my mates 90.. External cage n ragtop.
Sorry it's a bit.....upside down 
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4th Jul 2016 10:29pm |
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| Striker Member Since: 04 May 2013 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 127 |
Greeni
Do you have a photo of the 90 before it rolled? Cheers Andy Never Knowingly Understood |
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4th Jul 2016 10:52pm |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10359
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yeah will try find one later for you.
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5th Jul 2016 11:04am |
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| GREENI Member Since: 22 Aug 2010 Location: staffs Posts: 10359
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Actually, come to think of it, no. Not with the cage on, this was his second day with the cage fitted.... total wreck
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5th Jul 2016 11:05am |
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| CY88 Member Since: 05 Jan 2016 Location: Offshore Posts: 255 
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Quite a few pictures on this link....
http://www.whitbread-offroad.co.uk/roll_ca...php#switch And this one looks a bit like your cage:
However, one thing that stands out is that despite marketing the cages as ideal for soft-tops and allowing easy removal of the canvas, none of the pictures actually show one with the canvas removed. My hunch is that this is because in actual fact the cage might look a fairly unwieldy and comedic once the innards are taken out, another good reason why the cage on the NAS model was built inside the hood frame. Having gone down the soft-top route myself (with the older style two part doors) one of the things that makes a soft-top really desirable is the ability to strip back everything to basics if possible. If a soft-top is what you want, then the only reason to have a cage on the outside would be if you wanted to also have a roofrack. There's plenty of examples of this in the US on NAS models. Even then, I think that a rack on-top of an external cage makes for an unnecessarily towering truck for the UK! 
Click image to enlarge
FFRR Supercharged - Series One - Defender 90 V8 |
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5th Jul 2016 12:00pm |
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| Striker Member Since: 04 May 2013 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 127 |
I bet he was gutted. I take it he was ok. Cheers Andy Never Knowingly Understood |
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5th Jul 2016 12:52pm |
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