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mse



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The Boy wrote:
mse wrote:
The Boy wrote:
Those sensors have been replaced on mine maybe four or five times plus just about everything else on the fuel system including two pumps! It is still at the dealers at the moment but I will be ringing them this morning to check on progress. Hope fully the smashed window and scratched paint work has been replaced after it was broken into over the weekend while at the dealers. They emailed me yeesterday to say that they will not be held responcible for the kit stolen out of the vehilce but I expected that.


No they are responsbile for it - whilst in their care it is their responsbility and their insurance.

just as it would be with the hire car. i wouldnt stand for that - ask for their insurance company, totally down to them to secure.


Sorry mate but if they have taken reasonable measures to protect the vehicle then they cannot be held liable. They are saying it was in their secure compound with locked gates and steel fence with barbed wire so they have taken suitable precautions. Now I have taken advice form the insurance legal help line and this is right. Now I have a very strong feeling my vehicle was not in the compound but the customer car park. I tried to follow this up and asked for the name of the police officer who attend and when asked why I told them that I wanted to see the report as to the location of the car when they came. The dealers said that by the time the police arrived it had been moved to the vehicle to the workshop where they dusted it for prints. Read into that what you will. I asked for the name off the officer who first attended and they told me they did not know.


I dont know what insurance company advised that - but its not true.

I site 2 examples

1) My mate who owns a indi garage
and
2) When our freelander was broken into at the dealer awaiting a new engine.

Both times it was their liabilty on everything there - doesnt matter how secure or not, their insurance not yours, you just claim on it for the loss (just like you would your own insurance)

Ask for the CCTV records - or just contact the local police station, they will tell you.
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I am ringing the police tomorrow to get as much info as possible. I will also contact my broker for advice now you have said that. At the end of the day if the insurers don't like the sound of things they will simply counter claim from the dealers. I am told if that is done I will, after time get my £200 excess back and hopefully the £60 excess form my claim form he equipment stolen form my contents insurance.

On a more upbeat note, the dealers had a meeting with some people from land rover about why my lr keeps breaking down over the last year or so and they think they have come up with the cause. They think the pump is over pressurising and when the injectors reach critical pressure it is dumping fuel in leading to semi-hydrolock. Just waiting for parts to be delivered.

Boy

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amazing

As an aside...

It amases me that all LR Dealers, no matter where in the world, all seem to be made from the same mould, filled with a lot of brown stuff and slime.
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A comment from "one_iota" has prompted me to inform you guys of my experience regarding loss of power and pressure sensor failure. Albeit not on the 2.4TDCi common rail diesel, but a common rail diesel none the less, which I assume all use similar engine software logic.
If the rail pressure sensor fails, the engine goes into a "limp home mode", which derates the engine (dumps fuel), resulting in loss of power. Because the injection system uses a constant displacement pump, the excess fuel has to go somewhere, and that's back to tank via the return fuel line. This fuel is now very hot and there's a lot of it. If the return line directs the fuel onto the tank walls or base it can melt a hole quite quickly in a polyethylene tank if not rectified straight away. So it's probably not a good idea to contiue driving with loss of power caused by a faulty pressure sensor.
Bosun.

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Bosun wrote:
A comment from "one_iota" has prompted me to inform you guys of my experience regarding loss of power and pressure sensor failure. Albeit not on the 2.4TDCi common rail diesel, but a common rail diesel none the less, which I assume all use similar engine software logic.
If the rail pressure sensor fails, the engine goes into a "limp home mode", which derates the engine (dumps fuel), resulting in loss of power. Because the injection system uses a constant displacement pump, the excess fuel has to go somewhere, and that's back to tank via the return fuel line. This fuel is now very hot and there's a lot of it. If the return line directs the fuel onto the tank walls or base it can melt a hole quite quickly in a polyethylene tank if not rectified straight away. So it's probably not a good idea to contiue driving with loss of power caused by a faulty pressure sensor.
Bosun.


I assume the fuel cooler would deal with that though?
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Not sure, remember this is return fuel. Normally "excess" fuel would return to the tank via this route. I assume the cooler is for fuel going to the engine and not from it.

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Bosun wrote:
Not sure, remember this is return fuel. Normally "excess" fuel would return to the tank via this route. I assume the cooler is for fuel going to the engine and not from it.


According to the manual the cooler is on the return line to the tank and not on the supply side.
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Post #4594 10th Nov 2008 9:43am
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mse



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This is correct. The cooler has to be on the return side to deal with arm fuel.

Its on the passenger side around the bulkhead on the chassis rail
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Ireland 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Manual Tonga Green

Regarding the hot excess fuel issue returning to the tank.Could this possibly exit the tank through the breather pipe?I've recently extended mine up to the bulk head.The engine bay would not be the best place for hot fuel to be exiting the system!

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