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TC



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Location: Gloucestershire
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Puma purchase advice required
Morning all,

It's been a long while since we sold our TD5 Double Cab - we have come full circle now looking to buy a Puma.

I would like some opinions of what I should be looking out for on a test drive.

We are looking at a 60 plate 2010 2.4 90 CSW from a main dealer - the car is very clean, looking like it hasn't been abused - interior is spotless and the paintwork is rust and dint free; it absolutely chucked it down before and during the first viewing and a lift of the carpets pre and post 1st short drive showed no water ingress. As stated, we have had a brief test drive but now want to go on an extended run but want to know what to look / listen out for - it has done less than 40K but feels very different to a TD5 so feeling rather green!

It will be used purely recreationally and we won't be shy about spending money on the oily bits if needed - uprating / specialist rebuilding of drivetrain etc when needed.

Useful info would be drive line slack tell tales along with clutch travel etc.

Thanks in advance,

TC
Post #440649 27th Jul 2015 11:51am
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bob neville



Member Since: 30 Apr 2009
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Spain 2001 Defender 90 Td5 SW Epsom Green
I knew you would be back Steve Thumbs Up

I'm running a 2013 90 and a 2001 TD5 90 now, I think I may be going mad in my old age Laughing

First thing to listen for is the clutch springs rattling. With the vehicle stationary depress and release the clutch a few times. If you hear any faint rattling there is a fair chance the springs have gone and a new clutch will be needed - my 2013 90 has just had one at 16K miles.

Check the rear propshaft seal, they are prone to leaking.

Drive train should have very little, if any, backlash. My new one has none at all. Gear changes should be smooth.

90's are a bit bouncy compared to a 110, something to be aware of.

When you turn the engine off you should get a chugga, chugga type noise, this the the EGR self clean. No noise could mean it is stuck open or shut (or it has been disabled).

One of the main problems with the Puma is the output shaft between the gearbox and transfer box going.
Problem with this is there are no warning signs, it just goes (as I found out in my DC !).

I am sure others will be along with a few more things to look out for soon.

If you are down this way and want to drive my 2013 2.2 90 let me know, it is not quite standard Whistle

Good luck and welcome back Thumbs Up

Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !!
2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold
2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold
2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member
2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days !
Post #440678 27th Jul 2015 1:57pm
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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
The easiest tet for the clutch death rattle is to switch the engine off with the gearbox in neutral and the clutch in. You will here a brief intense rattle as the engine stops if the cluch is on the way out, which will be entirely absent if you repeat the test with the clutch out. Clutches generally last about 50k miles max, so check this out (and if it rattles see if the dealer will replace it before you buy).

A good EGR valve should be virtually silent in operation. most are not and make the "chugga chugga" sound. Silent does not necesarily mean it is inoperative.

The output adaptor shaft is easily checked at the time of clutch renewal (it requires the transfer box to be seperated from the main gearbox). It is not a particularly difficult or expnsive thing to replace, but it is a major nuisance if it fails since you are totally without drive.

Other than those, the most common complaints seem to be leaks and the ease with which the vehicle (or parts therefrom) can be stolen.
Post #440707 27th Jul 2015 4:14pm
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TC



Member Since: 21 Nov 2010
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Thanks for the responses gents, much appreciated.

Good to hear from you again Bob! How did you get on with the cage?

Having had a good look over a couple of 90's and 110's I found issues with all of them (5 Puma's in total). The decision we have ended on is a controversial one, we are buying a Jeep JK!

We didn't want another disco3 but also need to be able to fully rely on whatever we ended up with; still love the Defender but there are still too many pitfalls for us.

I did a lot of research into how to best prepare for the impending zombie apocalypse and the jeep just has the edge; evidence as follows (also a small matter of 60 in under 11 seconds and a 2.8 litre motor Very Happy )

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