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Should Scotland be an independent country?

Yes

24%

[18]

75%

[55]

Total Votes: 73

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Dave T

Member Since: 07 Jun 2013
Location: Glasgow
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It has also been "quite lively" at times

It's the North Korean Alex Salmond picture that gets me

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11th Sep 2014 8:19pm

Smilesapart

Member Since: 28 Sep 2013
Location: Suffolk
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I think if they vote Yes, house prices will plummet in Scotland as people will have to move to the UK for work. This will further increase the house prices in England.
I also think tourism for them will be badly effected. The English are far less likely to holiday there because of their dislike of us and the separation it's self and that makes up a huge element of their tourism

11th Sep 2014 9:36pm

nitram17

Member Since: 09 Jun 2014
Location: newcastle
Posts: 2260

Mountain_man wrote:
The nay sayers who say that Scotland cannot survive without the rest of the Union need to look at the figures. Compare Scotland with a European country with a similar population like Denmark for example

Population
Scotland 5.3 million Denmark 5.7 million
Area
Scotland 78300 km2 Denmark 42915 km2
GDP
Scotland 235 billion$ Denmark 211 billion$
GDP per capita
Scotland 44K$ Denmark 38K$

Now no-one would accuse the Danes of being a poor, backwards, race living on handouts with a poor standard of living. If Wikipedia is to be believed then your average Scot is better off than his danish counterpart and has a larger, more attractive country to boot.

According to newsnight today Scotlands GDP £115 billion .....i like your exchange rate ..........this GDP IS SUPPORTED BY THE REST OF THE UK.....it wont be that post independence.........scotland has poor transport links to europe its foolish thinking that they wont face harder times at least in the short term following independance.

Look at Irelands experience post 1921..........The danes have a very long time to develop their country. and have found their niche in europe and are surrounded by similarly run countries ... Denmark is a high wage high tax and expensive social care system, which i admire but multinational companies given a choice will locate south of the border to our lower tax lower wage system..........

11th Sep 2014 10:42pm

nitram17

Member Since: 09 Jun 2014
Location: newcastle
Posts: 2260

bpman wrote:
If they do leave the union, will they rebuild hadrians wall? That will be an interesting construction project.

Personally I don't really care what they do, it won't make any difference to me, as soon as the time is right we'll be leaving this overcrowded island

I agree rebuild Hadrians wall as im in Newcastle i will become scottish overnight.....shortbread anyone!

11th Sep 2014 10:50pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 19568

Latest poll (official) shows 52% NO / 48% YES.

11th Sep 2014 10:54pm

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Hi All,

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12th Sep 2014 3:14pm

Dave T

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Brilliant skip, just what we need up here to relive the tension.

Unfortunately it may not last long

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12th Sep 2014 4:05pm

Dave T

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So Scotland never gets the government it votes for........

1951 Scotland voted Tory; we got a Tory Govt.

1955 Scotland voted Tory; we got a Tory Govt.

1959 Scotland voted Tory; we got a Tory Govt....

1964 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt, however England voted Tory.

1966 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt.

1974 (February) Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt, however England voted Tory,

1974 (October) Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt.

1979, 1983, 1987 & 1992 we had a Tory Govt thanks to the motion of No Confidence in Jim Callaghan's Labour Govt that the SNP tabled.

When Thatcher realised that the SNP were siding with her she then tabled her own motion of No Confidence, which took precedence over the SNP's motion. Supported by the 11 SNP MPs her motion of No Confidence was carried by 1 vote.

The SNP are responsible for starting the Thatcher years.

1997 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt.

2001 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt.

2005 Scotland voted Labour; we got a Labour Govt.

2010 Nobody got the Govt they voted for - only 7 months to go to the next election.

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12th Sep 2014 5:22pm

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15th Sep 2014 10:11pm

Dave T

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and you only have the mini version

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16th Sep 2014 6:51am

jomara

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16th Sep 2014 7:33am

iPints

Member Since: 15 Jun 2012
Location: SC
Posts: 294

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Honestly sick of the whole thing. when can we have an English government???? The fear of death is the most unjustified of all fears, for there's no risk of accident for someone who's dead.

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16th Sep 2014 10:02am

X4SKP

Member Since: 29 Nov 2013
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2287

Sick of it...I think it's only just beginning,

If I have this independence 'procedure' right, and the Yes camp wins by say 51% to 49%
or let's just say 'a close victory'

The outcome may not be judged as a win for Salmond and the argument will then be put that
'you haven't won with enough of a mandate from the Scottish people so you're not getting independence'.

If this happens, then the gloves really will be off

The flip of this, a narrow defeat for independence by few % and the message will probably be
'you've had your chance Alex, it's now off the table'.

Overall, sitting here in England, I have been disappointed by the level of political debate, and in particular
the degree of uncertainty that remains over all the key issues following a Yes vote, both sides have failed here, and the vote if you have one, looks to me to be based on emotion first.

Still hoping the Union survives, but will be surprised if it is granted if the difference is 1%.

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16th Sep 2014 10:11am

Tiger

Member Since: 06 Jul 2012
Location: Wales
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Quote:
Honestly sick of the whole thing. when can we have an English government????

Shhhh, they may find out we have one. (Well a London one at least)

16th Sep 2014 10:23am

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16th Sep 2014 11:23am

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