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ROBBONTHEROCK



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Scotland 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Firenze Red
Thanks for the tips.

I have a bunch of photos from the seller, would anybody mind having a look for me and advise if anything is of serious concern?

If you PM me your email addy I'll send you the pictures.

Cheers
Andy
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edwardbahaw



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2003 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Auto Epsom Green
adafish wrote:

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I'm doing it myself on my 110 DC....Tdci bulkhead n dash . Wiring up td5 clocks into the puma dash binnacle whilst running a 300tdi engine up font..


Hi Adafish

I saw your post heret about adapting the puma style dash on a earlier defender. I too am in the process of doing this and I wanted to find out if you were able to wire up the time clock in the center.

I actually run a Land Rover repair shop in the Caribbean island of Trinidad.

Kind Regards
Ed
Post #353343 24th Aug 2014 2:12am
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edwardbahaw



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2003 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Auto Epsom Green

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Hi Guys

Here is my Puma dash installation on a 300tdi Defender 90. I am not using the Puma instruments. I willing be using the instruments from a 300tdi discovery donar which i would adapt to fit into the bezel in the puma dash.

I also installed an AC evaporator.

Anyone knows how to wire up the time clock on the center of the puma dash?

Ed
Post #353463 25th Aug 2014 1:15am
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PaulMc



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United Kingdom 1989 Defender 110 2.5 TD HT Arles Blue
edwardbahaw wrote:
Anyone knows how to wire up the time clock on the center of the puma dash?



There are 6 pins, only 3 of which are used.

Pin 2 - Illumination live

Pin 5 - Earth

Pin 6 - Permanent live


Looking at the connector pins on the clock, the pin layout is like this -




The mating connector is a female 6-way MQS connector.

This connector series uses a common 6-way terminal block, with a clip on cover, which carries the keying and latching parts of the connector.

I have the 6-way MQS connectors used on earlier Land Rover vehicles - YPC115290

But, the connector for the Puma's clock is numbered - YPC909280

They may well be the same connector, as Land Rover have re-numbered a lot of connectors into the 'YPC9xxxxx' numbering sequence.


If you have a large clear picture of the clock's connector pins and the housing shape, I should be able to tell you what the connector is.

It may well be the same as the earlier Land Rover MQS connector, or a differently keyed type.

Either way, if I don't have it, I might be able to point you to a supplier for it.

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1999 Epsom Green Discovery II 4.0 V8i 'XS'
Post #353540 25th Aug 2014 1:53pm
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edwardbahaw



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Thanks for the reply Paul!

I would post a pic of the pins when I get home from work.

You seem very knowledgeable about these electrical circuits. Do you work at a dealership or something?
Post #353564 25th Aug 2014 3:39pm
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PaulMc



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I don't work at a dealership Laughing

I just have a lot of experience of identifying connectors to fit Land Rovers (and other vehicles).

From my experiences with Land Rover dealer's workshops, most of them wouldn't know how to repair or replace individual connectors on a wiring harness, even though Land Rover require them to hold a dedicated harness repair kit, with replacement connectors and terminals.

Most dealer's workshops first line of repair, is to replace the harness Shocked

Some connectors are available through JLR's connector repair kit supplier (was SPX, now Bosch), some are available from Land Rover themselves, under the part number shown in TOPIx.

Some connectors are are to a BMW spec, and are made for BMW by TE (Tyco/AMP) - some of these can be sourced through BMW dealers as a spare part.

On the Puma Defender, some of the connectors are Ford/VW types, which can be sourced from a VW dealer.


Oh, and I only know how the clock is wired, from looking at the wiring diagram Wink

. Paul.
1989 Arles Blue 2.5TD 110 Hardtop
1999 Epsom Green Discovery II 4.0 V8i 'XS'
Post #353572 25th Aug 2014 4:00pm
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edwardbahaw



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Thanks again Paul.

See the attached pic. I inserted a border to help highlight the shape.


Post #353674 26th Aug 2014 1:11am
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PaulMc



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United Kingdom 1989 Defender 110 2.5 TD HT Arles Blue
I've had a look through the 6-way MQS connectors, and this one looks a likely suspect -

Connector 'Face'




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Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated Mr. Green  Paul.
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1999 Epsom Green Discovery II 4.0 V8i 'XS'
Post #353754 26th Aug 2014 2:35pm
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edwardbahaw



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Paul

This looks right.

How can I source this?

I am looking for 3 of them as I am currently doing 3 Puma dash installations.

Ed
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PaulMc



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Hi Ed,

That connector is made-up from a female terminal housing, of which, there a couple of possible types -

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And a cover, or shield -

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I don't have either bits - although, I do have some 6-way female terminal housings of the correct pitch - but, I'm not sure if they will fit the above cover.

I can get these bits, and have ordered some, which won't be with me for about another week.

The parts I've ordered are Ford 'Restricted' items - so, are probably the correct type.

We'll see when they get here.

.

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1989 Arles Blue 2.5TD 110 Hardtop
1999 Epsom Green Discovery II 4.0 V8i 'XS'
Post #353861 26th Aug 2014 8:46pm
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edwardbahaw



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Hi Paul

Thanks for the update.

Maybe I can do some measurements for you to compare with the terminal housings that you expect to receive next week?

Ed
Post #353910 27th Aug 2014 2:19am
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kevb



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adafish wrote:


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I'm doing it myself on my 110 DC....Tdci bulkhead n dash . Wiring up td5 clocks into the puma dash binnacle whilst running a 300tdi engine up font..


Hi Adafish, looks like a nice job, can you post more details of whats involved please? Thinking of doing this to my TD5.

Cheers,

Kevb www.AllPackedUp.com
Post #354577 30th Aug 2014 3:41pm
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edwardbahaw



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2003 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Auto Epsom Green
Hi Guys

I am in the process of setting up the instruments in the puma dash. I am using instruments from a discovery 1 as these should be easy to connect. They also fit well into the puma instrument binnacle (see picture 2).

I have experience in fitting the speedometer from a discovery 1 on a defender so that one is considered done.

In terms of the other three in the pictures, I noticed that each has three connectors. I assume that these would correspond to positive (ignition). negative and signal.

I will post my progress soon.



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Post #358674 18th Sep 2014 3:38pm
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PaulMc



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United Kingdom 1989 Defender 110 2.5 TD HT Arles Blue
Hey Ed - your hybrid instrument binnacle looks really good Thumbs Up

I've been meaning to get back to you, as I now have (what I think are) the connectors to fit the Puma's time clock.

I haven't had the time ( Wink ) to take any pictures of them to post here, and I'm off out this evening, and then off to the LRO show at Peterborough for the weekend - so, I'll try and get something posted on Monday.

Paul. Paul.
1989 Arles Blue 2.5TD 110 Hardtop
1999 Epsom Green Discovery II 4.0 V8i 'XS'
Post #358707 18th Sep 2014 5:12pm
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edwardbahaw



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Okay so I finally got around to wiring up these instruments. Also added in white backgrounds one time. See the pics.


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